@LadyboyRevolution - Thank you!!  So pissed at her lies right now I didn't think of that.  

@LadyboyRevolution - Agreed.  For the record, I would never have done this except her last response to me was so off the wall from what I was saying - and that is just so dishonest in my book to say such bullshit about someone else and then block them so they can't set the record straight or defend themselves against the blatant lies - it just shows how much of a coward she truly is.  

@LadyboyRevolution - Hahaha, I only try to follow the rules until someone pulls a stunt like mtngirlsouth did.  I do believe in being civil and respectful, to a point, because there are plenty of people reading comments who never say anything and the possible effect our words have on them could be huge - better to let the opposition back themselves into a corner, which they often do.  I just spent the last half-hour/hour browsing through some of mtngirlsouth's other posts and comments.  If you take her one post at a time and don't read all the others you might give her more credit than she deserves, but start reading all her other posts and her stubborn opposition in the face of actual FACTS on many issues and you realize the only thing she's actually good at is copy&paste from unreliable sources, lol.  

I also suspect the reason she went off the rails on my last comment, ranting about how I wanted to ban christianity and put christians in jail, was because she's just projecting what she'd like to do to homosexuals and atheists.  She's nothing more than a bigot using her religion to hide her inability to actually empathize with other human beings.  

@QuantumStorm - We didn't get much into that since that wasn't the point we were debating, but my reasons were that to get government out of marriage altogether would strip everyone of rights already granted.  Ladyboyrevolution has a point as well, that once government is in something like that they aren't likely to pull back out.  I'm not saying it's a bad idea, it's just not the point we were arguing since I was asking her what specific right she would lose by legalizing same-sex marriage.  

And I will be fair here, I think something got lost in translation.  I was  thinking her wish for civil unions and marriages was meaning that everyone else could have civil unions with all the same rights and Christians could have marriages with all the same rights.  When it was cleared up, what she wants are civil unions with all the rights, and marriages without rights and holding only a religious significance - meaning a double process for those wanting a marriage, which isn't entirely a bad idea per se, however, it still creates a "separate but equal" type of situation in my mind, but maybe not if everyone's legal "married" status were referred to as a civil union and "marriage/married" never entered on any of the legal documents.

@JandJinJapan - Okay, I will openly admit that yes, I did respond to you in a blog entry on my blog in the past.  I'm pretty certain that's why you're here, to call me out on that and label me a liar, however, I simply forgot all about our little fiasco until I just saw your name here, and that's not the same as intentionally lying.  I would also bet you spent some time paging through my entries attempting to find that entry, which I had deleted a long while ago because I don't like the idea of having to do entries like this.  I don't know why you have friended and subscribed to me since we already had such a fiasco, but I have seen your "Traditional Values America" FB page and the hate spewed on that site all while reinforcing your right to own guns over and over again.  So if all you wanted was to start shit over something dead and forgotten, I fixed it, it's done.

@grim_truth - Making a separation by having everyone who isn't a christian get civil unions and christians get marriages would foster discrimination - it already has:  http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_mars11.htm  Just because same-sex marriage is made legal doesn't mean that everyone has to believe it is "right" or "moral".  I am not legislating my religious belief by promoting marriage equality.  Christians are still free to believe it's wrong/immoral, and still free to preach it from their pulpits and deny marrying such couples in their houses of worship.  My mom was raised Catholic, but married a Lutheran and they were denied a Catholic marriage ceremony based on that and no one cried discrimination.  Mtngirlsouth posted links showing that wasn't the case, but her links had nothing to do with the issue of marriage equality and someone else had already pointed out what was wrong with the links.  I'm not saying that people wouldn't try to ban the Bible or whatever, they have been doing that since before the marriage equality issue and it gets struck down.  I don't believe in christianity, or god, but if the government tried to stop a church from preaching it's beliefs from it's pulpit I would side with the church even though I don't believe the same things.  Marriage is in the public sphere, not just churches.  For years and years and years atheists and non-christians have been married and it wasn't an issue until the homosexuals wanted it too.  The definition of marriage has been redefined more than once already.  

@LadyboyRevolution - Thankfully I'm not the only one who sees that she's the one who does the word-twisting and deflecting, and I hardly think it's simply an innocent misunderstanding.  I had one question I asked over and over, and others asked the same question and this wasn't the first time, yet she never once answered that question.

@grim_truth - If that were the topic we were discussing I would slightly agree, but it's not.  I conceded what she wanted was government out of marriage altogether, I also pointed out why that wasn't going to happen and why "separate but equal" is still discrimination and not equal.  All I wanted was an answer to the question "what right will you lose if same-sex marriage is legalized?"  Which she never answered.  And here's why she never answered:  http://mtngirlsouth.xanga.com/?uni53509532-direction=n&uni53509532-nextdate=4%2f25%2f2011+15%3a18%3a41.000#module-53509532  that is a link to her older blog post about free will - where she actually flat-out says "Gay marriage? Why not?" and then proceeds to make the point about not legislating morality.  

@LadyboyRevolution - You sent that to me by accident, didn't you?  lol.  I saw it in my email and thought "wait a minute, I didn't intend to ignore anyone's questions, what did I miss?"   :)